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A U.S. Navy Ship vanishes during a secret World War II Experiment gone awry. When it re-appears, observers are horrified to see crew members embedded in the deck and steel of the ship. Durin... Read all A U.S. Navy Ship vanishes during a secret World War II Experiment gone awry. When it re-appears, observers are horrified to see crew members embedded in the deck and steel of the ship. During a sea trial, the ship vanishes and travels through time setting off a number of events t... Read all A U.S. Navy Ship vanishes during a secret World War II Experiment gone awry. When it re-appears, observers are horrified to see crew members embedded in the deck and steel of the ship. During a sea trial, the ship vanishes and travels through time setting off a number of events that continue today.

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Al describes his early life as Ed Cameron. He was born on August 4th 1916 in Bay Shore Long Island, New York to father Alexander Duncan Cameron and mother (maiden name) Arville from a common law marriage. His Aunt Arnold raised him and Duncan in a 26-room mansion in Long Island.

Ed went to Princeton in 1932 and finished up his education with a PhD at Harvard in 1939. He met Dr. John Von Neumann first at Princeton – a meeting that would change the course of his life.

After Ed left Harvard, both Ed and his brother Duncan were recruited to work with the Navy in September 1939 and sent through a 90-day training school and left with the rank of Lt. "JG". Dr. Von Neumann recruited both of them to work in the Project Invisibility (Rainbow) project.

Before starting in the project, both of them have to relearn their physics. Dr. John Von Neumann taught the two brothers about gravity, time, and quantum physics – how it really works. Ed needed to learn the theory behind invisibility so he could accurately report to the Navy the progress of the experiment.

While working in this project, Ed got to meet Tesla and Albert Einstein. Both were heavily involved in developing the mathematical theories behind the project. Al believes that Albert Einstein did complete his Unified Field Theory and was used to create the overall set of equations to produce invisibility.

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In September 1940, the first test of invisibility was performed on a small Navy tender in Brooklyn New York Navy Yard, and was a success. No sailors were on board and all the power was externally supplied. At that point, the Navy took over and classified the project as “Project Rainbow”.

Roosevelt was excited about the success of the project and asked to perform the invisibility on a battleship. Remember, at that time the United States was loosing half of their merchant ships going to the UK, to the German U-Boats.

While waiting for the battleship to be modified, Ed and Duncan were assigned to the USS Pennsylvania. They were scheduled to leave to Pearl Harbor on December 5th, 1941, and had their orders canceled because it was known that the Japanese would bomb Pear Harbor. Apparently, the brothers were deemed too valuable to put into harms way.

After the test on the USS Eldridge, Ed married Mary Jane and bore one son – Jeff Cameron. Al claims he has memories of four other children, but with different mothers. Ed was transferred to Los Alamos National Laboratory in July 1944, to assist Dr. Teller and Von Neumann with the atomic bomb project.

Ed Cameron had access to secret files at Los Alamos and learned that time travel was already accidentally discovered in 1936 near the Bermuda Triangle by a Navy Ship. Apparently the ship disappeared and reappeared two months later. His questions about this project were met with response – “Don’t ask!”

While working on the Hydrogen Bomb Project, Ed and Dr. Teller strongly disagreed with the viability of weaponizing Fusion. Ed believed it to be unpredictable. Eventually, this disagreement got Ed forcibly separated from his family and a one-way ticket to Washington DC in 1947.

Despite Ed’s plea with our government, they told him he could continue working, but had to leave his family. Today, Al still doesn’t recall why he had to leave his family. 

His next project was to be an observer of the Mach 1 project at Edwards Air Force Base. He worked closely with Jack Ridley and got to know Chuck Yeager. When the project concluded, Ed and Jack decided to go into business with each other. They formed a company in California called JRC Enterprises.

Their company worked toward building the first ion propulsion engine. They received funding from the military and ultimately were successful in 1953. When the test was successful, Ed’s father Alexander got involved and promised to fund the project to move into production.

Something went wrong. Apparently, this technology stepped on the toes of some other powerful group. Al thinks it has something to do with the Cristaldi Research Group. It was decided to take Ed out. A group of “Black Ops” soldiers removed Ed from the premises and put him on a train to the Pentagon. 

Ed was taken to MacLean Virginia, placed into a portal, and sent to Alpha Centauri One. After several days interrogation by aliens, Ed was returned to the Pentagon.  

Even though reporting in daily, Ed was never again given another assignment. Continual inquiry on Ed's part finally resulted in a plea to the Joint Chiefs.  Their response was "there is nothing we can do, it is out of our hands."

Ed was then taken to Montauk on August 12th 1953, and physically regressed to Al Bielek and the year - 1927.

Photos of Alexander Duncan Cameron Sr. and Duncan Cameron Part II. Alexander Cameron is the father of Ed Cameron and both versions of Duncan Cameron.

Alexander Cameron 1917 - U.S. Navy
Princeton yearbook 1936 showing photo of Ed Cameron. Cameron estate, built in 1906, where Ed and Duncan grew up (Long Island, NY)

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Final briefing inside the USS Eldridge August 9, 1943. Lecturer - A. Yaglu. Don Thor, Oscan Schneider, Lawrence Schmidt (Maxon Electronics Corp.),  Oscan Schneider, Medical Officer for USS Eldridge test and father of Philip Schneider. Legend is that he was a German U Boat Commander.
1943 Photo of Oscar Schneider. Cover of publication with photo of Philip Schneider describing his life and death.
Picture of a German U Boat taken off a documentary - Code Breakers. Al thinks Oscar Schneider is in the picture T. Townsend Brown - Specialist in electrostatics and gravity research. Made major contributions to the Philadelphia Experiment.
Graduating class which comprised of the test crew for the USS Eldridge 1942.  Note: Alexander Cameron is in the front. Don Thor (from Venus) and future President of AIL (Airborne Instrument Labs)  John Clark, at the Philadelphia Naval Yard during the time of the experiment.
Albert Einstein confers with 2 Naval Officers - 1943. Dr. John Von Neumann affirmation letter.
Dr. John von Neumann - 1945. Dr. John von Neumann with research assistants. Taken at Los Alamos Labs in New Mexico - 1944.

Pictures of the USS Eldridge DE 173 (note: there were two USS Eldridges -  DE 173 used in the Philadelphia Experiment was built in the Brooklyn Navy Yard in 1942 and completed in the Philadelphia Naval yard in 1943)

Launch of DE 173 at the Newark Shipbuilding yards - July 25th 1943.  At Sea
At sea top. Side view
Angle view Angle view
Philadelphia Navy Yard 1943 Philadelphia Navy Yard  1947
Transferring the Eldridge to the Greek Navy - 1951 Eldridge in Greece: 1995
USS Eldridge in Greece - notice the cut cables. Side view of the USS Eldridge in Greece - in poor repair.
Picture of the mast of the USS Eldridge while in Greece.

   

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Al Bielek , who said he was a participant in the Philadelphia Experiment, was the main guest on Monday night. In his life as "Edward Cameron," he said he was aboard the U.S.S. Eldridge on August 12, 1943, when the ship became invisible as part of a military test. The ill-fated experiment caused some men to become grotesquely fused with the steel bulkheads of the vessel. But Cameron and his brother Duncan managed to escape. Escape into the future, that is. Bielek said after jumping off the ship he and his brother found themselves at a secretive base at Montauk, propelled forty years into 1983. There, they met Dr. John Von Neumann, who convinced them via showing them TV commercials that they indeed had traveled into the future. Eventually though, he sent them back to the Eldridge via the "Montauk Time Tunnel," to shut down the haywire experiment. Bielek said he also used this Time Tunnel to travel to the 28th Century where he encountered the "Wingmakers," whom he described as "genetically perfect humans." While there were floating cities and a network of computers that ran the planet, he said the Earth's population has been greatly diminished by this time and was down to about 500 million.

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Author Steve Quayle appeared during the first hour of Monday's show, to discuss the recent mysterious death of David Kelly and other scientists around the world. Quayle said he suspects Dr. Kelly, Britain's leading scientific expert on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, didn't commit suicide but rather was silenced to cover up things he knew.

He connected Kelly's demise with a number of odd deaths of microbiologists (as reported in this article ) that began in 2001. Quayle suggested that a "genetically altered super plague" is being clandestinely developed and that these scientists may have been killed to prevent them from making an antidote or vaccine for it, or spreading information about the project.

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The Bizarre Truth to Top Secret Experiments in Time Travel and Invisibility. In 1943, a U.S. Navy Ship vanishes during a secret World War II Experiment gone horrifically wrong. The ship vanished and traveled through time, setting off a number of events that continue today, spilling over into the Montauk Project, a continuation of the Philadelphia Experiment. Surviving researchers from the Philadelphia Experiment met in the early 50's intent on continuing their work on manipulating the electromagnetic shielding used to make the USS Eldridge invisible to radar and to the naked eye. The intent was to use a magnetic field as a means of psychological warfare. Initial proposals were rebuffed by the US Congress fearing the dangers of the research. The experiment continued with support from the DOD and funding from a large cache of Nazi gold found in a train by U.S. soldiers in France near the Swiss border. The train was destroyed, and all the soldiers involved in the discovery were killed as part of a cover-up. With funding in place, work allegedly began at a de-commissioned base in Montauk, New York under the name of the Phoenix Project." Discover the science behind experiments involving walk-in implantation, time travel, mind control, invisibility, mind machines used to develop and control paranormal powers and much more. See photographs of the equipment used as well as diagram presentations of their construction. Watch a complete breakdown of the Philadelphia Experiment and the Montauk Project from those who were there to witness the events. This true, yet unbelievable, story is one they do NOT want you to know. You will be terrified, shocked and amazed by experiments performed on human beings and the incredible history of the Philadelphia Experiment.

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  • Run time ‏ : ‎ 5 hours
  • Release date ‏ : ‎ May 22, 2012
  • Actors ‏ : ‎ Al Bielek, Preston Nichols, Duncan Cameron
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The Truth About The Philadelphia Experiment: Invisibility, Time Travel And Mind Control: The Shocking Truth

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The Truth About The Philadelphia Experiment: Invisibility, Time Travel And Mind Control: The Shocking Truth is a documentary-style film released in 2010 that explores the infamous Philadelphia Experiment, an alleged government experiment conducted during World War II. The movie features interviews with Al Bielek, Duncan Cameron, and Preston Nichols, who claim to have been involved in the experiment, along with expert commentary on the scientific and historical background of the story.

The film begins with a brief introduction to the Philadelphia Experiment for those unfamiliar with the topic. According to legend, the US Navy conducted a series of experiments on a destroyer escort called the USS Eldridge in 1943. These experiments were said to be an attempt to create an invisibility cloak that would render the ship undetectable by radar. However, things went awry, and the ship and her crew were said to have become invisible, travelled through time, and undergone mind control experiments.

Bielek, Cameron, and Nichols are three of the most prominent figures in the Philadelphia Experiment legend. They claim to have been part of the original experiment or subsequent government research on the same technology. The film gives each of them ample screen time to recount their experiences, which are often contradictory and confusing. Bielek, for example, claims to have been both an engineer on the USS Eldridge and a time traveller who met aliens in the future. Cameron claims to have jumped off the ship mid-experiment and wound up in 1983, where he met Bielek, who was now going by a different name. For his part, Nichols says that he worked on a project to erase memories of the experiment from sailors who had been involved.

While the interviews with the three men form the backbone of the movie, there are also many experts who weigh in on the viability of the alleged technology used in the Philadelphia Experiment. The film covers everything from quantum physics to parapsychology to military history in trying to establish whether the experiment could have really happened. Some commentators point out that the US government had a history of experimenting on its own citizens in the mid-20th century, lending credence to the idea that something strange happened on the USS Eldridge.

The movie also explores the wider impact that the Philadelphia Experiment has had on pop culture. The story has been retold in movies, TV shows, and books since the 1950s, and has become something of a legend. The film talks to fans of the story and those who have made careers out of researching it, and explores why the story continues to hold such a potent grip on people's imaginations.

Overall, The Truth About The Philadelphia Experiment: Invisibility, Time Travel And Mind Control: The Shocking Truth is an intriguing foray into one of the more outlandish conspiracy theories of the 20th century. The interviews with Bielek, Cameron, and Nichols are fascinating, even if they don't always add up. And the scientific and historical context provided by the experts helps to ground the story in a way that makes it more compelling. While the veracity of the Philadelphia Experiment will likely never be definitively proven, this movie is a worthwhile exploration of the human desire to believe in the unbelievable.

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  • Release Date 2010
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Drugstores tinker with new looks as their usual way of doing business faces challenges

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A customer browses an aisle at a Walgreens pharmacy store in Deerfield, Ill., Thursday, July 25, 2024. America’s drugstores are testing smaller locations and making bigger bets on health care as they adjust to customers who need them less for convenience. (AP Photo/Nam Y. Huh)

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A patient health room is seen at a Walgreens pharmacy store in Deerfield, Ill., Thursday, July 25, 2024. (AP Photo/Nam Y. Huh)

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America’s drugstores are testing smaller locations and more ways to offer care as price-sensitive shoppers look elsewhere.

Customers may see Walgreens stores that are one-fourth the size of a regular location or CVS drugstores with entire primary clinics stuffed inside. If these experiments succeed, the new stores might improve access to care and create a more lasting connection with customers, analysts say.

“Everyone looks at health care and says, ‘Oh yeah, it’s a market that’s ripe for disruption,’” said Neil Saunders, managing director of consulting and data analysis firm GlobalData. “But it isn’t easy to disrupt.”

Walgreens CEO Tim Wentworth said recently that his company could close a “significant portion” of underperforming stores in the next few years. CVS Health is going through a round of closings. Rite Aid has filed for bankruptcy. Thousands of independent drugstores have closed over the past five years.

The closures can leave gaps: An Associated Press analysis published in June found that urban neighborhoods that are majority Black and Latino have fewer pharmacies per capita than white majority neighborhoods.

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There are still more than 30,000 drugstores scattered around the country, but even Walgreens executives admit that the market is overbuilt.

The stores have struggled with increased competition from Amazon and lower-price options like Walmart or Dollar Tree. They’re also dealing with theft, growing costs and thinner prescription reimbursement.

Some are responding with new looks. Walgreens is testing a store in Chicago that has digital kiosks where customers place orders. A separate desk offers pickup of items ordered at the kiosks or online.

The company also has opened about 100 mini drugstores focused on health and wellness and featuring store-brand merchandise. Walgreens started testing these stores in 2019 and plans to add more this year.

Walgreens spokesman Jim Cohn said shopper preferences are shifting, and the company aims “to meet them where, when and how they want to shop.”

Saunders notes these stores are less expensive to run and allow the company to serve areas without enough people to support a bigger store.

At one of these locations in Indianapolis, only four short aisles separate the front door and the pharmacy counter in the back. Healthy snacks, vitamins, first aid supplies, and the usual mix of antacids and Advil fill its shelves.

But there are no magazines and only small selections of greeting cards and beauty products at the store, which is closed on Sundays and sits about a half mile from a vacant Walgreens.

Customer Leonard King has visited several times. He says his prescriptions are ready on time, and the store seems to have decent supplies.

“Being a diabetic, sometimes medicines are hard to get,” the 67-year-old Indianapolis resident said.

But King also said he misses being able to shop for things like toiletry items that can be found at bigger stores.

The selection of retail items also is smaller at some CVS Health stores that include Oak Street Health primary care clinics. The company plans to open about 25 of these combinations this year and 11 more next year, with either full-sized or smaller clinics n the stores.

The clinics can have primary care doctors, social workers and people to help with insurance coverage. They specialize in treating patients with Medicare Advantage plans, which are privately run versions of the government’s coverage program mostly for people age 65 and older.

CVS Health says it is putting the clinics in areas that need primary care. It is targeting big cities like Chicago, New York and Dallas with its initial rollout.

“If we can invest more upfront for the patients who need it, by increasing access, improving quality of care, we can keep patients healthier,” company executive Mike Pykosz said.

Making things easier for patients helps build relationships between store staff and customers and can lead to repeat business, noted Arielle Trzcinski, a principal analyst at Forrester who covers health care.

Independent drugstores also have been polishing their health care reputations. They are expanding immunizations and testing, spurred partly by increased business they saw during the COVID-19 pandemic, said Kurt Proctor of the National Community Pharmacists Association.

Some also are adding doctor’s offices or specializing in diabetes care. Proctor said they are doing what they have always done: adapting to community needs .

“There are 19,000 (independent) stores across the country and no two of them are exactly alike,” he said.

Diving into health care isn’t new for drugstores. They started adding small clinics more than 20 years ago. CVS Health has been on a health kick since it quit selling tobacco in 2014.

As many as a quarter of drugstores could eventually wind up with big health clinics, especially those located in densely populated areas, said Jeff Jonas, a portfolio manager at Gabelli Funds who follows the industry.

But he cautioned that the idea is still unproven.

Walgreens has closed VillageMD primary care clinics just a few years after it launched plans to add hundreds to its stores. Analysts say companies are still learning what makes money and resonates with customers.

One thing they know for certain: Drugstores are no longer “America’s convenience destination” like they used to be, Saunders said.

“That really, over the past 10 to 15 years, has unwound,” he said.

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Penn State coach James Franklin made his "#WeAre...Better" post on social media Thursday to indicate a recruiting commitment. This one was a bit different. Franklin was celebrating a flip, as 4-star linebacker Cameron Smith announced he would join Penn State's 2025 recruiting class.

Smith, a 4-star linebacker from Philadelphia, initially committed to Duke and head coach Manny Diaz in February. However, Penn State continued to recruit the standout from Pennsylvania power St. Joseph's Prep, welcoming him for an unofficial visit at the Lasch Bash event in July. On Thursday, Smith made the switch.

"I appreciate the opportunity that the coaches at Duke have given me and I still have strong feelings about them but in the end I've decided to flip to Penn State as I believe it's the spot most suited for me," Smith wrote in a post on X.

Next Chapter #WeAre 🦁 pic.twitter.com/fIG8ScJ8Bs — Cam Smith (@camduhhgoat) August 8, 2024

Franklin wasn't necessarily celebrating flipping a commitment from Diaz, his former defensive coordinator who became Duke's head coach in December. More likely, he was pleased to reclaim some recruiting ground at St. Joseph's Prep, the Pennsylvania powerhouse that has produced players such as Marvin Harrison Jr., D'Andre Swift and Kyle McCord. If he signs his Letter of Intent in December, Smith would be the first Penn State player from St. Joseph's Prep since John Reid in 2015.

Smith was a second-team all-Philadelphia Catholic League selection in the Red Division last season, when St. Joseph's Prep won its second consecutive Pennsylvania Class 6A title. He is the ninth-ranked player in Pennsylvania, according to the 247Sports Composite , and the No. 30 linebacker nationally.

Smith also has offers from Michigan, Pitt, Texas A&M and West Virginia, among others. His commitment to Penn State represents an upward move for the Nittany Lions in Pennsylvania. Penn State now has commitments from four of the state's top-10 players for the 2025 recruiting cycle, according to the 247Sports Composite, after losing some earlier recruiting battles to Missouri, Michigan and Ohio State.

With 24 commitments, Penn State's 2025 recruiting class ranks 14th nationally, and third in the Big Ten, according to the 247Sports Composite .

Penn State gets first commit of 2027 recruiting class

Penn State is working on three recruiting classes simultaneously, as the first commit of 2027 has arrived. On Aug. 2, running back Kemon Spell became the first player to commit to Penn State football's 2027 recruiting class, doing so before beginning his sophomore season at McKeesport High in western Pennsylvania.

Spell (5-9, 185 pounds) has drawn significant early recruiting interest after becoming a two-way showcase player for McKeesport High as freshman. He rushed for 579 yards and nine touchdowns last season, according to the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review , and also caught two touchdown passes. Defensively, Spell returned an interception and a missed field goal for touchdowns as well.

That prompted Spell to receive offers from Michigan, Michigan State, Florida State, Pitt, West Virginia and Wisconsin, among others. He recently attended Penn State's Lasch Bash before committing.

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2024 Presidential Election

Vance says deportations should start with 1m, defends 'thought experiment' giving parents more votes.

The GOP vice presidential candidate discussed several issues with Jonathan Karl.

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WASHINGTON -- Republican vice-presidential candidate JD Vance defended his past comments on women and families without children, the Trump campaign's proposals to deport undocumented immigrants and more in a wide-ranging interview with "This Week" co-anchor Jonathan Karl, which airs in full on Sunday morning.

Despite the race tightening in recent weeks as Vice President Kamala Harris has taken over the Democratic ticket, the Ohio senator emphasized that he and Trump are "extremely confident" in their chances of winning the election.

"I think we're going to win. I also think that we have to work as hard as possible for the remainder of the election to try to persuade Americans to vote for us," Vance told Karl. "That's the name of the game."

Vance elaborates on 'pro-family' views

The senator has come under fire for repeated comments made about childless Americans, including one during an interview in July 2021 with then-Fox News host Tucker Carlson where Vance described leading Democrats including Harris as "childless cat ladies."

In a speech before a conservative group, the Intercollegiate Studies Institute, which preceded that interview, Vance also suggested that people with children should have extra votes.

"The Democrats are talking about giving the vote to 16-year-olds, but let's do this instead," Vance said in the speech. "Let's give votes to all children in this country, but let's give control over those votes to the parents of those children. When you go to the polls in this country as a parent, you should have more power."

Vance told Karl his notion was a "thought experiment" in response to Democratic proposals to allow younger voters, and not a policy stance.

"Do I regret saying it? I regret that the media and the Kamala Harris campaign has, frankly, distorted what I said," he said. "They turn this into a policy proposal that I never made. ... I said, I want us to be more pro-family, and I do want us to be more pro-family."

Vance added there are "policy positions behind my view that the country should become more pro-family." He went on to talk about the economic struggles that families are facing, citing the increased cost of goods, rising medical bills and other costs.

The senator said that he and Trump have a plan to lower the cost of housing and food but didn't provide details during the interview.

Trump said in an interview with Fox News last week that his solution to bringing down costs was, "We're gonna drill, baby, drill."

Trump has also advocated for more tariffs and tax cuts as part of his economic policies.

Vance responds to mass deportation plan: 'Let's start with 1 million'

The senator brought up the ongoing migrant crisis and again blamed Harris and the Biden administration's policies, such as ending "Remain in Mexico."

When asked how he and Trump would accomplish their stated goal of mass deporting as many as 20 million immigrants - a proposal experts previously told ABC News would be a "nightmare" -- Vance said they would take a "sequential approach."

"I mean do you go knock on doors and ask people for their papers? What do you do," Karl asked.

"You start with what's achievable," Vance said. "I think that if you deport a lot of violent criminals and frankly if you make it harder to hire illegal labor, which undercuts the wages of American workers, I think you go a lot of the way to solving the illegal immigration problem."

"I think it's interesting that people focus on, well, how do you deport 18 million people? Let's start with 1 million. That's where Kamala Harris has failed. And then we can go from there," Vance said.

Vance agrees with Trump that VP picks don't matter to most voters

During an interview at the National Association of Black Journalists conference in Chicago last month, and just a short time after Trump announced Vance as his running mate, the former president raised some eyebrows when asked whether Vance would be ready to be president "on Day 1" if needed.

"You can have a vice president who's outstanding in every way, and I think JD is, I think that all of them would've been, but you're not voting that way. You're voting for the president. You're voting for me," Trump said, without addressing whether Vance would be ready on "Day 1."

In the interview with ABC News, Vance said he agreed with Trump's view.

"They're voting for Donald Trump or for Kamala Harris, not for JD or Tim Walz," he said. "I also think that he's right that the politics of this really don't matter that much."

However, Vance stressed he's "absolutely" sure Trump is confident he could step up as a commander in chief if needed.

"What I think that he does believe because he made it the main focus of his vetting process, is, 'Do I think this person can be president on day one if, God forbid, something happens? Yes,'" Vance said.

Vance repeats false claims about Tim Walz's policies

During a rally in Montana on Friday night, Trump pushed falsehoods about Democratic vice presidential candidate Gov. Tim Walz's policies concerning transgender youth, accusing the Minnesota governor of signing "a law letting the state kidnap children to change their gender."

Walz has signed legislation aimed at protecting the rights of transgender individuals to access gender-affirming care, which can include gender-affirming surgeries but also services like counseling and non-surgical medical procedures like hormone therapy and puberty suppressants. The law does not allow what Trump claimed.

Vance said he didn't fully watch the late-night rally but repeated some of those false claims in the interview with Karl, saying Walz "supported taking children away from their parents if the parents don't consent to gender reassignment."

He referenced Walz's recent statement at a rally accusing Republicans of not "minding their own damn business."

"One way of minding your own damn business, Jon, is to not try to take my children away from me ... if I have different world views than you."

Karl pushed back, calling the "kidnapping" characterization "crazy."

The April 2023 law that Walz signed in the wake of other states curtailing or banning access to gender-affirming care has been mischaracterized by Republicans.

The Minnesota law protects patients who come to the state to receive gender-affirming health care, even if the patients live in a state where such care is illegal. The law also specifically allows the state's courts to assume "temporary emergency jurisdiction" in cross-state child custody disputes where a child has been unable to obtain gender-affirming care and is in Minnesota to do so.

The executive director of LGBTQ+ advocacy group OutFront told The Washington Post that under the law, courts can settle parental disputes over whether their child should get this care, but it doesn't result in the parent against such care losing custody of their child.

Vance pushes back on white supremacist Trump once dined with who recently insulted his wife's race

Karl also asked Vance about a racist attack targeting his wife, Usha, from white nationalist live-streamer, Nick Fuentes, who Trump dined with in November 2022.

In a recent livestream, Fuentes said, "What kind of man marries somebody named Usha? Clearly, he doesn't value his racial identity."

"My attitude to these people attacking my wife is, she's beautiful, she's smart. What kind of man marries Usha? A very smart man and very lucky man," Vance said of his wife during the ABC News interview. "If these guys want to attack me or attack my views, my policy views, [ or ] my personality, come after me. But don't attack my wife. She's out of your league."

Trump faced significant blowback for dining with Fuentes, along with rapper Ye (formerly Kanye West) back in November 2022 at his Mar-a-Lago club in Florida. At the time, Trump said he did not know who Fuentes was and that he was brought to the dinner by Ye. In a statement given exclusively to Fox News Digital, Trump said, "I had no idea what his views were, and they weren't expressed at the table in our very quick dinner, or it wouldn't have been accepted."

But the former president has not denounced Fuentes' white nationalist views beyond that, or the recent comments about Usha Vance.

In the interview, Vance contended Trump had "issued plenty of condemnations," and did not question the former president's dinner with Fuentes.

"The one thing I like about Donald Trump, Jon, is that he actually will talk to anybody. But just because you talk to somebody doesn't mean you endorse their views," Vance said, adding that Trump has been close and friendly with his family.

ABC News' Quinn Scanlan contributed to this report.

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